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### update: might have gone zombie (without Hano)
https://meeten.statt-drosseln.de/b/han-lmj-lwo-0on
Hallo Grüßt euch, ich hab da grad noch Rückkopplungsprobleme. Ich bin da aber sehr gespannt. Sag inwieweit ist den diese Wasserstoffding Zukunftsfähig vs greenwashing
### update: might have gone zombie (without Hano)
https://meeten.statt-drosseln.de/b/han-lmj-lwo-0on
Hallo Grüßt euch, ich hab da grad noch Rückkopplungsprobleme. Ich bin da aber sehr gespannt. Sag inwieweit ist den diese Wasserstoffding Zukunftsfähig vs greenwashing
¶english?
hola! :-)
Question: Can we switch to English?
don't worry i can try to follow in DE
are there people who don't understand german?
hola! :-)
Question: Can we switch to English?
don't worry i can try to follow in DE
are there people who don't understand german?
¶Relive of Hannos hydrogen talk today
https://www.uestra.de/unternehmen/betrieb-technik/stadtbus/elektrobusse/bautagebuch-elektrobus/ Hybrid Dachschnelllader
"it's really worth watching hanno's talk from the morning!"
link ###
https://streaming.media.ccc.de/divoc_r2r/relive/24
https://www.basf.com/global/en/who-we-are/sustainability/we-drive-sustainable-solutions/circular-economy/mass-balance-approach/chemcycling.html
"orders of magnitude" changes need to happen
https://www.uestra.de/unternehmen/betrieb-technik/stadtbus/elektrobusse/bautagebuch-elektrobus/ Hybrid Dachschnelllader
"it's really worth watching hanno's talk from the morning!"
link ###
https://streaming.media.ccc.de/divoc_r2r/relive/24
https://www.basf.com/global/en/who-we-are/sustainability/we-drive-sustainable-solutions/circular-economy/mass-balance-approach/chemcycling.html
"orders of magnitude" changes need to happen
¶what could you do (for climate industry) at a nano-scale, yourself?
"upcycling"
https://preciousplastic.com/ :
extruders
mold machines
(...)
OSE (open source ecology):
they do inverters
also agricultural machines
https://enerkem.com/
"upcycling"
https://preciousplastic.com/ :
extruders
mold machines
(...)
OSE (open source ecology):
they do inverters
also agricultural machines
https://enerkem.com/
¶chemical recycling
experiments:
mixed plastic waste
back to naphta → sources for new plastics
NAPHTA?
basically oil
oil → naphta
plastic molds
experiments:
mixed plastic waste
back to naphta → sources for new plastics
NAPHTA?
basically oil
oil → naphta
plastic molds
¶(d) what would be hacker-scale industry
:
* low capital entry
* high-know how
* maybe experimental
* bonus: demonstration to push bigger industry to pick it up
* [...]
:
* low capital entry
* high-know how
* maybe experimental
* bonus: demonstration to push bigger industry to pick it up
* [...]
¶(factory scale assesment)
X capacity → production input in terms of consumed power
footprint
1GW
50MW (hungary plant)
actually means "X Wh per year"!
production footprint : quite a bit below 1 year / production
(has reduced greatly in short time)
"even ~10 years ago it was 5 years"
### we should be able to quote these
X capacity → production input in terms of consumed power
footprint
1GW
50MW (hungary plant)
actually means "X Wh per year"!
production footprint : quite a bit below 1 year / production
(has reduced greatly in short time)
"even ~10 years ago it was 5 years"
### we should be able to quote these
¶(discussion: moves to the Quotable Database)
### (we spoke about this before +nidi +d)
https://europeansolarinitiative.eu/
### (we spoke about this before +nidi +d)
https://europeansolarinitiative.eu/
¶ A) agricultural land roofs ?
germans now have ("EEG"?) law that farmers can at least go ahead and do it
... but it's always a question of subsidies
there's also vertical "bifacial" solar
https://www.en-former.com/en/the-future-of-solar-energy-has-two-sides/
germans now have ("EEG"?) law that farmers can at least go ahead and do it
... but it's always a question of subsidies
there's also vertical "bifacial" solar
https://www.en-former.com/en/the-future-of-solar-energy-has-two-sides/
¶ B) "somewhere in some remote desert"
will probably be "green ammonia"
https://asianrehub.com/
big solar 26GW installation
and export ammonia
prob solar & wind mix
### question:
what is the scale expressed in ammonia?
(this would be an alternative
will probably be "green ammonia"
https://asianrehub.com/
big solar 26GW installation
and export ammonia
prob solar & wind mix
### question:
what is the scale expressed in ammonia?
(this would be an alternative
¶(how about using it in ... ) aluminum production?
yeah maybe
btw, it still has a high carbon footprint
(substantial but smaller than steel)
LOL) "solar fucking roadways"
yeah maybe
btw, it still has a high carbon footprint
(substantial but smaller than steel)
LOL) "solar fucking roadways"
¶Q: what are some big interactive tools we know?
these databases are ... around but ... not "transparent", in the sense of ...:
* not normalized
* dug in some PDF
* etc
https://www.wri.org/resources/charts-graphs/us-greenhouse-gas-emissions-flow-chart
https://totalism.org/farming
https://www.thru.de/thrude/
can get as sqlite !
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make example queries:
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these databases are ... around but ... not "transparent", in the sense of ...:
* not normalized
* dug in some PDF
* etc
https://www.wri.org/resources/charts-graphs/us-greenhouse-gas-emissions-flow-chart
https://totalism.org/farming
https://www.thru.de/thrude/
can get as sqlite !
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#hxs
make example queries:
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¶* make it more expensive to pollute ("carbon emission taxes")
190€/per tonne
related:
https://media.ccc.de/v/chaotikum-co2-fussabdruck
talk from (~Chaotikum)
Lübeck hackerspace
"we need to go from 11ton PPPY CO2→1 ton:
"by translating to time & money"
so ~2.5kg per day
"a personal quota"
### ties to "fractionary visualization" #subfinance from CHT:
https://dcht00.totalism.org/subfinance.jpg
(this is for financial expenses, but emissions one is planned)
190€/per tonne
related:
https://media.ccc.de/v/chaotikum-co2-fussabdruck
talk from (~Chaotikum)
Lübeck hackerspace
"we need to go from 11ton PPPY CO2→1 ton:
"by translating to time & money"
so ~2.5kg per day
"a personal quota"
### ties to "fractionary visualization" #subfinance from CHT:
https://dcht00.totalism.org/subfinance.jpg
(this is for financial expenses, but emissions one is planned)
¶* what's the greenest political party in DE?
suppose it might be the greens
def not SPD
linke:
wagenknecht is often considered climate-problematic
"we should look into international shipping transport"
suppose it might be the greens
def not SPD
linke:
wagenknecht is often considered climate-problematic
"we should look into international shipping transport"
¶* "things are already moving in the right direction!"
i see discussions are different compared to before
i see discussions are different compared to before
¶* "the incentives to change personal consumption aren't actually there"
* but still "showing what is possible"
* but still "showing what is possible"
¶*** D mentions SOCIALISM
→ https://e2h.totalism.org/e2h.php?_=classes
(and we talk about this for a long time)
→ https://e2h.totalism.org/e2h.php?_=classes
(and we talk about this for a long time)
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dcht0010:29 PM
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