divoc-1
hello HACC @ divoc
(day 1, 14:30)



read version: https://pad.land/divoc-1
also see: https://pad.land/divoc (general divoc links) :)


General contact channels of hacc

* https://hacc.earth
* https://chaos.social/@hacc

JOIN US ON MATRIX:
    #hacc:matrix.org
    https://riot.im/app/#/room/#hacc:matrix.org
    https://matrix.to/#/#hacc:matrix.org

AND MAILINGLIST via:
    https://hacc.earth/




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Presentations (order of appearance)

david@totalism.org:
    https://totalism.org/d
    always happy to collaborate

Lanna:
    https://activism.international
    ende gelände
    set up wlan hotspot
    also XR
    infinite server capacity
    immense matrix server
    Bots, Bridges
    Jitsi, BigBlueButton

nidi @ stuttgart: (nidi@mailbox.org / @nidi:matrix.org)
    parents for future
    FSFE
    bits & bäume
    "most comm in 4future still happens in slack/whatsapp, and we want to change this"
    sometimes you try to give them infra, and you reach "refusal"
    so: how can we get matrix to the future groups?
    -----
    these groups (whatsapp etc) also exclude people!

rw ( raphael@hacc.space; @cAkwNLHysr:matrix.org (rw) ):
    alps protection group asked hacc.mucc to setup a communication platform
    they were a more traditional organization

stuebinm:
    before they had an excel spreadsheet with contact info! :)

sun:
    for now you can add my junk mail: alsoneee@gmx.net ^^
    of course, let's keep in touch :) I also have a meetup session on sunday
    -------
    biology/bioinformatics
    was at biosummit: "biohacker congress at mit media lab"
biosummit is online: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCM316zz7Ycpy7Wp-qT6uj_Q
berghof foundation on climate change and political stability: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS_2sx_6NNk&list=PLMDi3H3BvL79mXpQux8PfMItt2oQ_zl-s&index=9
------
ah, the "Open Source Biotechies" session?
maybe i'll join, even though i don't really know anything about biotech 🙈 (perhaps people there could point me to some introductory material/books/something?)



* "you're fans of free software, but i think it's important to stop the climate catastrophe - "that's the highest priority"


* but "politics can destabilize, and to circumvent this threats, it's a good idea to already organize own infra at this point"

"we should prepare"




* Reasons for Free Software in Climate groups:


problem of user friendliness barrier
we tell them "use signal"

d:
    for pads

st:
    pads can be problematic
    examples of people writing phone numbers of everyone



* "we haven't found a way to bridge, getting things accross"

A) make everybody and everything chaos
B) trying to spread good opsec culture, long-term, and just deal with all the "resistance"
C) talking to people:
    what are your needs
    what do you unlike about the tools
    then:
        * make clear the advantages, especially configurability
        * "we can talk to upstream"
        * "we can make things better"
        * [...]

(re mattermost: it's not actually so easy to talk to them as a typical OS project)



(to move away from just infra talk What else can we do?)


    1) battle misinformation (presentation!):
            science communicators are doing their best, but we need something
            offer "re-information" against "mis-information"
            it needs proper design

sun: can you write down this institute opinion?
I saw it in a talk from the Berghof foundation

cool, is there an actual discussion going out after drostens comments on misinformation? where?



    2) ... produce actual content:
            B&B started a knowledge DB of "climate facts"
            "should be better than a wiki - more fine grained"
            an info gathering!
            so it could also be collected!
            "what should it look like":
                tagged db of articles/studies?
                "there's knowledge based tools but they're kind of heavy"
            idea of "zettelkasten"
        3) ###



* (anti-corporate!) these "hackathons" are...

    trying to push their products
    want to expropriate our work
    "all consulting groups have their own social business schools"


non-profits are not enough!
also non-profits are still highly hierarchical, mostly. :/



* (how can we sustain ourselves?) how about HACKBASES :)

        https://totalism.org/puzzles
        https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Hackbases

but hackerspaces aren't as widespread/common outside Europe...
ooooh, is there a handy list of these hackbases?
        https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Hackbases





*** (VIA ROOM CHAT)


dcht00:
        totalism.org/hacc

RW:
        infra4future.de


https://discourse.bits-und-baeume.org/t/ag-gruendung-freie-software-fuer-for-future-gruppen/893

https://knotenpunkt-alpen.de/explore



WG: c3sus (got a lot of love)



WG: hacking ecology group!

(we need to get back in touch with, impressive)

https://e2h.totalism.org/e2h.php?_=hacking-ecology

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCM316zz7Ycpy7Wp-qT6uj_Q -> the whole biosummit is online

just subscribed to the https://lists.posteo.de/listinfo/hackingecology mailing list, but apparently it's not active — the archive just says "no messages have been sent to this list yet, so the archive is empty"
### we should send them a ping! :)

https://totalism.org


(hacc.wiki is being deprecated)



WG: altpwr
https://altpwr.net/index.php?title=Main_Page
Also called eventgrid

@stuebinm: I will make a link collection with some good resources :)

mattermost anyone? :)
Hasn't mattermost been forked by xr?

i think it was, yes, will have to look into if their version is more approachable
(hm, can't even find their source code — perhaps I'll write to write to them and ask …)

pad with some collection of infos
https://pad.hacc.space/s/rk8edGjMP#

I see some people picking it up on twitter
#purv was tha tag I guess :)
https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/PLURV
*#plurv :D

@stuebinm: there was a talk in xr it infrastructure @ccc Congress 2019

zettelkasten

https://factsupport.net/


Is there a Problem with the system? ;)

I mean capitalism!

(yes)


https://skepticalscience.com/history-FLICC-5-techniques-science-denial.html


(CURRENT HACC COLLABORATION SPACES)

        1) totalism.org/hacc
        2) hacc.wiki
        3) pad.hacc.space

        will integrate all to → 3


https://hacc.uber.space/Information_sources is down?

yeah, the wiki is down, I contact one of the admins



what's the best way to keep in touch?
Is there a chatroom perhaps?
https://riot.im/app/#/room/#hacc:matrix.org

Bye, i will go to watch https://pretalx.c3voc.de/divoc-reboot-to-respawn-2021/talk/MF8A7V/


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