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### update: might have gone zombie (without Hano)
Hallo Grüßt euch, ich hab da grad noch Rückkopplungsprobleme. Ich bin da aber sehr gespannt. Sag inwieweit ist den diese Wasserstoffding Zukunftsfähig vs greenwashing
Question: Can we switch to English?
don't worry i can try to follow in DE
are there people who don't understand german?
Relive of Hannos hydrogen talk today
https://www.uestra.de/unternehmen/betrieb-technik/stadtbus/elektrobusse/bautagebuch-elektrobus/ Hybrid Dachschnelllader
"it's really worth watching hanno's talk from the morning!"
"orders of magnitude" changes need to happen
what could you do (for climate industry) at a nano-scale, yourself?
OSE (open source ecology):
they do inverters
also agricultural machines
mixed plastic waste
back to naphta → sources for new plastics
oil → naphta
nano-industrial food processing (fish)
"easiest thing is to give away stuff people don't need"
(d) what would be hacker-scale industry
* low capital entry
* high-know how
* maybe experimental
* bonus: demonstration to push bigger industry to pick it up
(report: thin film solar cell production)
(factory scale assesment)
X capacity → production input in terms of consumed power
50MW (hungary plant)
actually means "X Wh per year"!
production footprint : quite a bit below 1 year / production
(has reduced greatly in short time)
"even ~10 years ago it was 5 years"
### we should be able to quote these
(discussion: moves to the Quotable Database)
### (we spoke about this before +nidi +d)
"where do we put all those solar cells"
A) agricultural land roofs ?
germans now have ("EEG"?) law that farmers can at least go ahead and do it
... but it's always a question of subsidies
there's also vertical "bifacial" solar
B) "somewhere in some remote desert"
will probably be "green ammonia"
big solar 26GW installation
and export ammonia
prob solar & wind mix
what is the scale expressed in ammonia?
(this would be an alternative
(ammonia production in germany)
"jara in somethingbuttel"
(how about using it in ... ) aluminum production?
btw, it still has a high carbon footprint
(substantial but smaller than steel)
LOL) "solar fucking roadways"
"these calculations often miss some externalia"
CCS cement (?)
Q: what are some big interactive tools we know?
these databases are ... around but ... not "transparent", in the sense of ...:
* not normalized
* dug in some PDF
can get as sqlite !
make example queries:
*** (talk not just about tech, but also about policy)
* make it more expensive to pollute ("carbon emission taxes")
talk from (~Chaotikum)
"we need to go from 11ton PPPY CO2→1 ton:
"by translating to time & money"
so ~2.5kg per day
"a personal quota"
### ties to "fractionary visualization" #subfinance from CHT:
(this is for financial expenses, but emissions one is planned)
* what's the greenest political party in DE?
suppose it might be the greens
def not SPD
wagenknecht is often considered climate-problematic
"we should look into international shipping transport"
* making pressure on existing parties
* "things are already moving in the right direction!"
i see discussions are different compared to before
* "the incentives to change personal consumption aren't actually there"
* but still "showing what is possible"
*** D mentions SOCIALISM
(and we talk about this for a long time)
*** MORE CHAT
(expressing time & more ###)
[!→] centralized / polycentered / distributed / super-distributed
polycentric / decentralized
... super-distributed .... also session initiation and discovery
(only in physical proximity)
briar is mentioned
(in this context)
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